Traumatized By MS Windows 11 - I need a hug :)

[010101]

I recently bought a new computer, an HP with MS Windows 11 preinstalled. For those who never used MS Window 11, OMG. YOU WOULDN’T BELIEVE HOW BLOATED THIS OS IS!

I ditched MS Windows back in march of 2016 for Linux and never looked back. This computer was preloaded with MS Windows 7. I thought MS7 was bloated, but this was nothing compared to MS Windows 11 OMG.

This OS had I don’t know how many software programs installed...dozens and dozens. Most of these programs I wouldn’t have used. Some of these used a massive amount of space too. You wouldn’t believe all of the process that auto started. There were dozens of processes.

At installation, about eight GB of my hard drive was used. A short time latter, having install just my Firefox and a few small programs, 7% of my 250 GB drive was used! With no other software in run, this OS was using about 48% on my ram! Having installed debian 12 (Firefox came with the distro) and installing Tor, and a file manager, I’m using about 4% of my total drive! And with nothing in run, I use less than 25% of my ram!

Unannounced to me, my data was be uploaded to the cloud – to one drive. I didn’t understand what was happening...at first. Then latter I learned that MS’s Edge Browser was sending my browsing data to them… by default!

F**king MICROSOFT

I forgot to mention that there browser is bloated at more that 1GB.

Get this: My OS was trying to squeeze every dollar from me that I could. My OS kept panhandling me!
I was pressured to give Microsoft more of my money every day.

I didn’t get a word processor, not even a cheap one. Instead, I got a bloat piece s**t call Windows Office, which expires after 30 days of use. Then You were high and dry. Of course if I was to send Microsoft more money, they would graciously let me use there bloated word processor.

And won’t go into detail of all the annoying quirks of this OS, for which there were many.

I’m in total slack jawed awl by how Microsoft operates. WOW!

[010101]

Wow. My old laptop will not run MS Window 11... not even close! But the Latest debian distro runs find, with room to spare. How crazy is this?!

[arochester]

What's this got to do with Debian? First filed under "General Debian".

I don't know that it is the role of this Forum to criticise other OSs...

[010101]

What's this got to do with Debian? First filed under "General Debian".

I don't know that it is the role of this Forum to criticise other OSs...

I don't understand your question. This post has everything to do with debian. And I have you know that I haven't broken any rules. And why can't I criticize another OS...especially Microsoft with there bloated OS's. Why is this sub here?

[Head_on_a_Stick]

Unannounced to me, my data was be uploaded to the cloud

You really should read the Terms & Conditions before agreeing to the EULA.

And anyway, it could be worse — some laptops are sold with Ubuntu preinstalled FFS...

[010101]

You really should read the Terms & Conditions before agreeing to the EULA.

And anyway, it could be worse — some laptops are sold with Ubuntu preinstalled FFS...

That's good advice on the EULA. Easier said than done.

Sounds like you don't like Ubuntu. I believe it's the most used distro. Never used it myself. What is the problem with Ubuntu? Just curious because I heard it was a decent enough distro.

[Head_on_a_Stick]

It was just a joke, that's all. But I do prefer Debian.

"Ubuntu" is an African word that means "I can't configure Debian"

[sunrat]

It's probably a good idea to move away from Ubuntu before Microsoft buys Canonical.

[pizza-rat]

Ubuntu? Isn't that the inferior Mint variant that ships with preinstalled spyware?

[010101]

It was just a joke, that's all. But I do prefer Debian.

"Ubuntu" is an African word that means "I can't configure Debian"

From what I know about Ubuntu, it seems to be geared toward the more less advance /causal users/normal users. That's why I picked Debian.

[BBQdave]

From what I know about Ubuntu, it seems to be geared toward the more less advance /causal users/normal users. That's why I picked Debian.

I don't know about that. I'm a less advanced - casual user - normal user and I find Debian easier to administrate

Ubuntu and SNAPS, along with the extended (free) updates from Canonical and regular updates is a lot to manage and keep track of. Debian is far easier to manage and update.

Debian 12 Gnome is a smoother DE compared to Ubuntu and chopped up Gnome-Unity.

Ubuntu is transitioning with SNAPS, will be interesting to see how the distro evolves

[010101]

Re: BBdave

I never used Ubuntu, so I guess you would know better than I would. Isn't Ubuntu base on debian?

[BBQdave]

Isn't Ubuntu base on debian?

Here's where I may draw the ire of some fellow Debian Forum users, but Ubuntu is and is not based on Debian. Ubuntu pulls some developed core software from Debian, and I believe an argument could be made that if Debian does not exist, neither does Ubuntu.

That said, there is a lot of development specific to Ubuntu by Canonical. Not sure how much of that development is passed back to Debian.

It is an interesting relationship between Canonical Ubuntu and Debian, that I a layman can only generalize

[Hallvor]

This is more than a few years old, but it is still a good read when it comes to the historical relationship between Ubuntu and Debian:

https://upsilon.cc/~zack/talks/2011/20111031-uds.pdf

Yes, Ubuntu is based on Debian. Ubuntu uses the latest packages from Debian and adapts them to each release of Ubuntu, while adding features and patches as needed.

[Dr Cheeto Cornchip]

Oh man, I just received my first new computer since 2009 and it came with Windows 11 Home. I couldn't believe it, but there was no way to login to Windows the first time without connecting to the internet and creating a microsoft.com account! Thankfully there's an option, after logging in with the microsoft account first, to then create and use a locally stored account. I only use Windows to play my old late 90's early 2000's video games.

I decided to give Debian a try this time. I've been meaning to try it out and also the people who run my webhost recommended it. It's great, everything works out of the box, it's super responsive and doesn't chew up my SSD. After removing as much bloatware as I could Windows still took up 46GB where Debian, before I got my workflow apps installed, only took up eight or nine if memory serves.

As for Ubuntu. I think it's been going down hill. Back in 2012 they started sending desktop searches to Amazon by default. I think it won them an anti-privacy award.

[Northpoint]

I had a client ask me about what a good virus software for his windows 10 would be.

I responded: "Worrying about your antivirus software is like worrying about a leaky faucet on the Titanic".

M$ sure does make a lot of money selling off everyone's information and then charging them a monthly extortion fee for a word processor.
Most people that got hooked into that Office365 or just a stand alone version have no idea that in order to "Re-install" it you have to have a MS account. Those that installed it never remember their login credentials there anyways. What really gets me is that a lot of businesses seem to store their documents in the "one drive" folder. Thats the direct line to M$ for data scrubing and marketing.

I run debian on some servers and also great in a VM to handle things like Nextcloud. Its such a breath of fresh air to not have to worry about M$ . The updates are great on debian and the only thing that has ever slowed me down was an occasional php update that stops a website from running. No problem to fix now that I am aware of it now.

I really feel bad for those trapped in the M$ world.

[steve_v]

I had a client ask me about what a good virus software for his windows 10 would be.

I prefer this one myself. Free, open-source, 100% effective.

[FreewheelinFrank]

I responded: "Worrying about your antivirus software is like worrying about a leaky faucet on the Titanic".

To be fair on MS, 10 was pretty secure (unlike say XP when it came out with no firewall in the days of direct connection to the internet, and admin account by default. That was like launching the Titanic with the hole already ripped in the side.)

The problem is the ecosystem. You find free app to do a task, the author wants to make some money so bundles so more apps, those apps want to make money so they serve some ads, the ad company want to make money so they aren't too fussy where the ads come from: some bottom feeder decides to blow a hole in the ship from the inside.

I agree with you about the updates though. A obligatory 45 minute update just when you want to go home (in my case from a bit of charity work looking after some Windows machines - haven't used it myself since 09)? Uurgh! "Won't be long now", "Just finishing up", "Maybe now would be a good time to read "War and Peace", you'll probably finish it before these updates are done".

[Dr Cheeto Cornchip]

It's an unfortunate state of affairs I think. I probably spent a good hour or so turning off all the available data collection options and disabling permissions for the camera, microphone, etcetera, but I understand why Microsoft needs to do it. They're facing stiff competition from the Google data collection juggernaut.

The problem here is that if Microsoft loses Google's ChromeOS is going to take over and the next thing you know the only computer you'll be able to buy will be a dumb terminal that merely streams input to a Google owned server where all your applications are installed and executed. Like Stadia and Geforce Now, but for all your computing needs. You won't even be able to run the calculator application without streaming it from a server.

The ability to use applications will become a service with monthly subscription fees and different tiers. A free ad-supported tier grants access to basic applications like the calculator, Google Chrome, Google Docs and social media apps. The next tier will cost some money and still deliver ads, but grant access to additional software classes like AAA games and image editors. For content creators you'll need the super expensive professional tier subscription which eliminates ads and grants access to applications like Blender, Adobe Photoshop and IDEs for developers.

Ahh, who am I kidding. Microsoft wants that too.

[CwF]

The ability to use applications will become a service with monthly subscription fees and different tiers.

There is a good side to that...
Not expressing my preference, just a satellite view of where we are. I started first understanding terminal/server only later to enjoy the advent of local compute power. These two things are not the same, yet we conflate things into the most ridiculous market we're currently entering (decade+ transition). We pay for excessive local compute power to connect to the internet where more remote compute power is still evolving into a new way pay model. Somehow, few recognize we could use generic commodity gadgets of minimal cost if we're to truly leverage the 'server cloud', as if that idea is not 50 years old, it is.

People walk around with enough phone compute to manage a lunar mission, and what do they do with it! Not a question...