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[Solved] Kernel upgrades are never at the same time, Why?

#1 Post by MikeLieberman »

This is hardly a crisis. I'd just like to understand the why of it.

I am currently running nine VM's of Debian 12.8.
I have six hardware devices running Debian 12.8.

All use the same US based Debian repository.

So why aren't all offered the 'next' kernel at the same time? I currently have all but two running 6.1.0-28-amd64 and two running 6.1.0-26-amd64. All get the same apt commands and each gets those commands within minutes of the others.
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Re: [Software] Kernel upgrades are never at the same time, Why?

#2 Post by Uptorn »

From /etc/cron.daily/apt-compat:
Systemd systems use a systemd timer unit which is preferable to
# run. We want to randomize the apt update and unattended-upgrade
# runs as much as possible to avoid hitting the mirrors all at the
# same time. The systemd time is better at this than the fixed
# cron.daily time

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...

# sleep for a random interval of time (default 30min)
# (some code taken from cron-apt, thanks)
random_sleep()
{
    RandomSleep=1800
    eval $(apt-config shell RandomSleep APT::Periodic::RandomSleep)
    if [ $RandomSleep -eq 0 ]; then
	return
    fi
    if [ -z "$RANDOM" ] ; then
        # A fix for shells that do not have this bash feature.
	RANDOM=$(( $(dd if=/dev/urandom bs=2 count=1 2> /dev/null | cksum | cut -d' ' -f1) % 32767 ))
    fi
    TIME=$(($RANDOM % $RandomSleep))
    sleep $TIME
}

# delay the job execution by a random amount of time
random_sleep

...
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Re: [Software] Kernel upgrades are never at the same time, Why?

#3 Post by MikeLieberman »

But for a week? Sure I understand the need to smooth thinks out, but this is not a day or two.
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Re: [Software] Kernel upgrades are never at the same time, Why?

#4 Post by pbear »

I have a bunch of test boxes. Have never observed this behavior. Try updating manually (apt update, then apt upgrade) (as root or with sudo). Perhaps a message will explain the hangup.
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Re: [Software] Kernel upgrades are never at the same time, Why?

#5 Post by MikeLieberman »

OK, I did this and check it out. Still in 6.1.0-26

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mike@blackbox:~$ sudo su
[sudo] password for mike: 
root@blackbox:/home/mike# apt update
Hit:1 http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian bookworm InRelease
Hit:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm InRelease                                                                                                                                                                                     
Hit:3 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security InRelease                                                                                                                                                              
Hit:4 https://cli.github.com/packages stable InRelease                                                                                                                                                           
Hit:5 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates InRelease                                                                                                                              
Hit:6 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-proposed-updates InRelease                                                                                                                                                              
Hit:7 https://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable InRelease                                                                                                                                                                       
Hit:8 https://packages.microsoft.com/repos/edge stable InRelease                                                 
Hit:9 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/hardware:/razer/Debian_12  InRelease       
Hit:10 https://packagecloud.io/ookla/speedtest-cli/debian bullseye InRelease
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
All packages are up to date.
root@blackbox:/home/mike# apt upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
root@blackbox:/home/mike# apt full-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
root@blackbox:/home/mike# apt dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
root@blackbox:/home/mike# uname -r
6.1.0-26-amd64
root@blackbox:/home/mike#
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Re: [Software] Kernel upgrades are never at the same time, Why?

#6 Post by sunrat »

There have been a couple of reports of apt lists getting stuck or corrupted. Try this:

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#> mv /var/lib/apt/lists/ /var/lib/apt/lists-SAVE/
and then do update and upgrade again.
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Re: [Software] Kernel upgrades are never at the same time, Why?

#7 Post by MikeLieberman »

No dice same result.

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root@blackbox:/home/mike# mv /var/lib/apt/lists/ /var/lib/apt/lists-SAVE/
root@blackbox:/home/mike# apt update
Get:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security InRelease [48.0 kB]
Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm InRelease [151 kB]                                                                                         
Get:3 https://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable InRelease [1,825 B]                                                                                          
Get:4 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates InRelease [55.4 kB]                                                        
Get:5 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security/contrib Sources [856 B]                 
Get:6 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security/main Sources [129 kB]                                                                     
Get:7 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security/non-free-firmware Sources [796 B]                                                                 
Get:8 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security/main amd64 Packages [214 kB]                                                                              
Get:9 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security/main Translation-en [130 kB]                                                                              
Get:10 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security/contrib amd64 Packages [644 B]                                                                           
Get:11 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security/contrib Translation-en [372 B]                                                                           
Get:12 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security/non-free-firmware amd64 Packages [688 B]                                                                 
Get:13 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security/non-free-firmware Translation-en [472 B]                                                                 
Get:14 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-proposed-updates InRelease [60.6 kB]                                                                                            
Get:15 https://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable/main amd64 Packages [1,225 B]                                                                                           
Get:16 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/non-free Sources [77.9 kB]                                                                                            
Get:17 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/contrib Sources [51.4 kB]                                                           
Get:18 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/non-free-firmware Sources [6,444 B]                                            
Get:19 https://packages.microsoft.com/repos/edge stable InRelease [3,590 B]                                                                             
Get:20 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/main Sources [9,494 kB]                                                                                    
Get:21 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 Packages [8,789 kB]                                                                  
Get:22 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/main Translation-en [6,109 kB]                                                                                         
Get:23 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 DEP-11 Metadata [4,492 kB]                                                                                           
Get:24 https://packages.microsoft.com/repos/edge stable/main amd64 Packages [13.7 kB]                                                                                        
Get:25 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/main DEP-11 48x48 Icons [3,595 kB]                                                                                              
Get:26 https://cli.github.com/packages stable InRelease [3,917 B]                                                                                      
Get:27 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/main DEP-11 64x64 Icons [7,295 kB]                                                                                        
Get:28 http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian bookworm InRelease [4,434 B]                                                                   
Get:29 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/main DEP-11 128x128 Icons [11.1 MB]                                                                                             
Get:30 https://cli.github.com/packages stable/main amd64 Packages [345 B]                                                                                              
Get:32 http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian bookworm/contrib amd64 Packages [1,947 B]                                                                            
Get:33 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/hardware:/razer/Debian_12  InRelease [1,519 B]                            
Get:34 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/contrib amd64 Packages [54.1 kB]                         
Get:35 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/contrib Translation-en [48.8 kB]
Get:36 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/contrib amd64 DEP-11 Metadata [16.5 kB]
Get:37 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/contrib DEP-11 48x48 Icons [52.7 kB]
Get:38 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/contrib DEP-11 64x64 Icons [106 kB]
Get:39 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/contrib DEP-11 128x128 Icons [252 kB]
Get:40 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/non-free amd64 Packages [97.3 kB]
Get:41 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/non-free Translation-en [67.0 kB]
Get:42 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/non-free amd64 DEP-11 Metadata [4,428 B]
Get:43 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/non-free DEP-11 48x48 Icons [748 B]
Get:44 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/non-free DEP-11 64x64 Icons [27.5 kB]
Get:45 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/non-free DEP-11 128x128 Icons [2,522 B]
Get:46 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/non-free-firmware amd64 Packages [6,236 B]
Get:47 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/non-free-firmware Translation-en [20.9 kB]
Get:48 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/non-free-firmware amd64 DEP-11 Metadata [15.5 kB]
Get:49 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/non-free-firmware DEP-11 48x48 Icons [29 B]
Get:50 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/non-free-firmware DEP-11 64x64 Icons [29 B]
Get:51 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/non-free-firmware DEP-11 128x128 Icons [29 B]
Get:52 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates/non-free Sources [1,544 B]   
Get:53 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates/non-free-firmware Sources [2,076 B]
Get:54 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates/contrib Sources [776 B]      
Get:55 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates/main Sources [3,120 B]                                                 
Get:56 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates/main amd64 Packages [8,856 B]                                              
Get:57 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates/main Translation-en [8,248 B]                                               
Get:58 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates/contrib amd64 Packages [768 B]                                                    
Get:59 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates/contrib Translation-en [408 B]                                          
Get:60 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates/non-free amd64 Packages [12.8 kB]                                             
Get:61 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates/non-free Translation-en [7,744 B]                                           
Get:62 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates/non-free-firmware amd64 Packages [616 B]                                         
Get:63 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates/non-free-firmware Translation-en [384 B]                                
Get:64 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-proposed-updates/non-free-firmware Sources [1,628 B]                                  
Get:65 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/hardware:/razer/Debian_12  Packages [3,187 B]                                  
Get:66 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-proposed-updates/main Sources [46.4 kB]                                             
Get:67 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-proposed-updates/contrib Sources [1,516 B]                  
Get:68 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-proposed-updates/main amd64 Packages [86.1 kB]               
Get:69 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-proposed-updates/main Translation-en [54.5 kB]          
Get:70 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-proposed-updates/contrib amd64 Packages [3,332 B]                 
Get:71 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-proposed-updates/contrib Translation-en [2,732 B]             
Get:72 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-proposed-updates/non-free amd64 Packages [6,264 B]                  
Get:73 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-proposed-updates/non-free Translation-en [5,324 B]            
Get:74 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-proposed-updates/non-free-firmware amd64 Packages [504 B]          
Get:75 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-proposed-updates/non-free-firmware Translation-en [332 B] 
Get:31 https://packagecloud.io/ookla/speedtest-cli/debian bullseye InRelease [24.5 kB]                       
Get:76 https://packagecloud.io/ookla/speedtest-cli/debian bullseye/main amd64 Packages [1,195 B]
Fetched 52.9 MB in 5s (9,826 kB/s)     
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
All packages are up to date.
root@blackbox:/home/mike# apt upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
root@blackbox:/home/mike# apt dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
root@blackbox:/home/mike# apt full-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
root@blackbox:/home/mike#
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Re: [Software] Kernel upgrades are never at the same time, Why?

#8 Post by pbear »

Drawing a blank. I notice this isn't a plain vanilla installation. Nothing wrong with that, but does make it a larger haystack in which to find the needle.
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Re: [Software] Kernel upgrades are never at the same time, Why?

#9 Post by reinob »

maybe check if the package "linux-image-amd64" is actually installed?
this will always depend on the latest (stable) version.

if you install a kernel "manually" (like linux-image-6.1.0-27-amd64) then it stays like that.
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#10 Post by MikeLieberman »

It had been and I think it is but I got this interesting result.

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root@blackbox:/home/mike# apt install linux-image-amd64
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
  linux-image-6.1.0-28-amd64
Suggested packages:
  linux-doc-6.1 debian-kernel-handbook
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  linux-image-6.1.0-28-amd64 linux-image-amd64
0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 69.0 MB of archives.
After this operation, 408 MB of additional disk space will be used.
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#11 Post by sunrat »

MikeLieberman wrote: 2024-12-10 01:04 It had been and I think it is but I got this interesting result.
You don't need to think it is, you can check (and the same for any package):

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apt list -i linux-image-amd64
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#12 Post by MikeLieberman »

Well it was. It didn't 'install' and yet when 'invoked' it did push the install of the new were kernel. So I have no idea but the problem is resolved.
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No, it clearly wasn't.
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#14 Post by sunrat »

dilberts_left_nut wrote: 2024-12-10 05:54 No, it clearly wasn't.
Yes indeed:

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The following NEW packages will be installed:
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