baptx wrote: ↑2024-01-18 20:27
I reformatted my computer after this issue so I don't have the logs anymore. But everybody should be able to reproduce the issue with the LXQt ISO file (debian-live-12.0.0-amd64-lxqt.iso or newer version).
Allow me to have some doubts. The functionality for "firmware=never" is provided by the hw-detect package (see previous discussion [1]), which is installed by default (see [2]) otherwise the installed hardware would not be detected. Since you have reported this, it would be nice if you could do the appropriate checks with the appropriate logs.
If pure non free is such a big deal then Debian can't default to be a "Universal Operating System". Go find another distro. Simple answer. Fork Debian if you have to. But don't expect the Universal Operating System to default to unusable for the average user. It just doesn't make sense.
You can do a debootstrap installation from a live boot I suppose. That shouldn't be a problem. You can avoid all kinds of stuff like that.
I don't know the official reasons for it but I'd surmise the reason non-free firmware is installed by default is because people complain when something doesn't work. They blame the distro and it's maintainers for their own choices (good or bad you decide).
I like the idea of a clear selection option in the installation. But it should also come with a disclaimer that your system will likely not perform as it should and this is being done outside of recommended operating conditions. Debian is not responsible for the results in this case.
